Square-Enix Party 2008 revealed

[Julz]

I grabbed a general pool of all the screen shots of Mario Galaxy and the pic you reposted above was an example of a not flattering PS2 pic, obviously the other two look much better (and are also in game images, the first is in battle special attack (cue face zoom) and the other just a dialogue sequence where it zooms in on the in game graphics). Plus, I don't mean have the other Wii pics nshady posted ignored, I just added a pool of better PS2 ones (than some nshady posted) with some worse Wii ones to show that it's easy to misrepresent, which is what happened. I've seen Mario Galaxy on screen, I've also seen kingdom hearts and Wild ARMs on screens and I still personally think MG does not look better, maybe equal, definitely not better.

I didn't mean to grab non-final game pics so that's not being bias. The second one was just put in there because it obviously looks so terrible because of poor image quality (note comments next to the images!) . I was trying to make a point about image selection. 

If they put effort into it, it could look better than PS2, but based on the games so far the difference will be minute unless Nintendo can't yet utilise their own machine properly.

nshady: if they make you use the classic controller it makes it kind of redundant, and unless a 2nd option then it won't happen and won't be recieved well because consumers will expect the games to utilise the motion sensing.

Moodycj: Also, I don't think God of War two is the best looking game on the PS2. The graphics were too dark and ugly. I think the game I posted above (Wild ARMs 5) looks better than God of War. It's crisper (I like having more shades of colour than drab in my games). In that respect what people think constitute good graphics in a close range group of games may be subjective.

While the graphics on Metroid P 3 are (I must admit) good, they're still not close to 360 or PS3. You need to remember that I'm going to be disappointed with PS2 level graphics and want PS3. So even if MG = PS2 graphics or (if you personally think), greater than, it still means I'll be disappointed if KH3 is on Wii. With the Disney theme the capability to make awesome looking levels is there and I'd love to see them fully whipped out now that there are console that can take it to that new level. I think it's a waste not to take advantage of that with the themes in Kingdom Hearts.

RJ: I do have some bias, but who doesn't? You can tell me straight that there isn't Nintendo bias oozing from this forum? The thing is, when prooven I can completely turn around. When I was younger (11) and I palyed FF7 and loved it and my brother told me Suikoden was better I got defensive and wouldn't accept it. Then I played Suikoden and this series is my favourite of all game franchises. If Konami release a Suikoden game on the Ngage you might see me buying that thing just to get to the game (Oh, yeah, I love my Suikoden). I also wasn't into the Xbox at the start (before it was released) due to Sony fanboys talking it down all the time but eventually decided to ignore them and found out it's great, and the 360 is great. The difference is I get expectations for Nintendo and get let down multiple times. I bought a gameboy colour and was so excited, only to find that some games on it (i.e. Pokemon) weren't in full colour! (Whilst the Lynx we have had since the early 90's has full colour). Then the Wii (or Revolution [I was actually looking forward to a GC comeback even in the early days]) comes along with all these new different features and manages to utterly disappoint in comparison to rival consoles. If they pick up their game my opinion might change, but for the time being I'm annoyed at it. Let me be annoyed, I have the right. The same right people have when their 360 RRODs. Don't feed me crap about who I am because of what I release on this forum, it's offensive.

Also, I never said that the Wii didn't fulfil the target audience, so don't pull arguments against me from your arse. I also play PS2 games on my 1080i widescreen inside my PS3, so I've seen them on HD.

Let's just hope they bring it out on both, then eeeveryone will be happy, k?

[moodycj]

Also, I never said that the Wii didn't fulfil the target audience, so don't pull arguments against me from your arse. I also play PS2 games on my 1080i widescreen inside my PS3, so I've seen them on HD.

Let's just hope they bring it out on both, then eeeveryone will be happy, k?

"that console just isn't right for the game" and "I just don't get why people think the Wii is a good platform choice for this game"
This sounds like you don't think the wii fulfils the target audience, whether or not it is how you meant it that is how it came across.

"Moodycj: Also, I don't think God of War two is the best looking game on the PS2. The graphics were too dark and ugly. I think the game I posted above (Wild ARMs 5) looks better than God of War. It's crisper (I like having more shades of colour than drab in my games). In that respect what people think constitute good graphics in a close range group of games may be subjective."
Doesn't matter what game you pick Galaxy and MP3 are still better, because the PS2 is not capable of making games that are that graphically good.

You have changed your ground since this started, you are now talking about the wii in relation to the graphics of the PS3 and 360. No one argues that claims that the wii can come close to that graphics wise. It is not logical to think that this means the series will be ruined though, the number of people who are buying wii's shows that people enjoy using them so clearly graphics isn't every thing.

But for the time being I'm annoyed at it. Let me be annoyed"
RJ has himself expressed annoyance at the direction the wii is taking. The fact is your claims have not been logical that is what he is getting at.

"nshady: if they make you use the classic controller it makes it kind of redundant, and unless a 2nd option then it won't happen and won't be recieved well because consumers will expect the games to utilise the motion sensing."
It will probably have both.

[nshady]

EDIT: turns out moody posted similar points at the same time i did.

nshady: if they make you use the classic controller it makes it kind of redundant, and unless a 2nd option then it won't happen and won't be recieved well because consumers will expect the games to utilise the motion sensing.

They wouldn't make you use it, it would be included as an alternative option if they did it! Clearly you are a potential consumer of the game and clearly there are fans of the series that aren't five years old, so would you be disappointed if there was no motion sensing? I mean, my god, this argument doesn't even make sense.

You are saying that the Wii version would automatically be worse because they would no doubt include motion controls for the game. We are telling you that they have the ability to include multiple control schemes to allow everyone to play the game the way they want. I mean, this whole discussion is so friggin stupid because no game has even been announced, but from a "potential" standpoint, they could do the exact same controls on the Wii as you'd do on the PS3, so what the hell's the issue here?!

Moodycj: Also, I don't think God of War two is the best looking game on the PS2. The graphics were too dark and ugly. I think the game I posted above (Wild ARMs 5) looks better than God of War. It's crisper (I like having more shades of colour than drab in my games). In that respect what people think constitute good graphics in a close range group of games may be subjective.

Wild Arms 5 vs. Mario Galaxy? I mean, seriously?

While the graphics on Metroid P 3 are (I must admit) good, they're still not close to 360 or PS3. You need to remember that I'm going to be disappointed with PS2 level graphics and want PS3. So even if MG = PS2 graphics or (if you personally think), greater than, it still means I'll be disappointed if KH3 is on Wii. With the Disney theme the capability to make awesome looking levels is there and I'd love to see them fully whipped out now that there are console that can take it to that new level. I think it's a waste not to take advantage of that with the themes in Kingdom Hearts.

You've changed your argument. You began by comparing what the Wii could do with the PS2 games.

It probably will depend on what you liked about the Kingdom Hearts games in the first place as to how much the Wii will remove the experience given from the PS2.

Now you're saying that the Wii game won't look as good on the PS3, which we never denied.

Here's the facts. You obviously enjoyed the games on the PS2. The Wii has more power and the potential for better graphics than that system (regardless of whether you feel that it has achieved that yet). You were immersed into the worlds of the PS2.

The Wii can offer everything the PS2 game did, and more. The graphics would be better. The controls will be either a) the same (using classic controller styles) or b) possibly better (depending on how the do motion controls - you might like them, you never know). Yes, the PS3 could do better graphics, but could some extra horsepower lend anything to the gameplay? More enemies on screen?

If KH3 is made on the Wii the series will be ruined, that console just isn't right for the game.

The simple truth is that Wii can do anything that the PS2 did. There is absolutely no basis to a statement like the one above. It's just completely fallacial.

[Batman]

If KH3 is made on the Wii the series will be ruined, that console just isn't right for the game.

The series was ruined when KH2 rolled around. It's mostly just fan service for fangirls now.

Also saying a console isn't right for a game is ridiculous.

[Julz]

I still think the Wii is currently no better graphically than the PS2, I still think that. I compared Wild ARMs 5 because the level of graphics are similar despite the fact that based on everything you say the graphics in MG should be more than 2x as good (especially MG is a huge title whilst I bet before my post no one here knew what Wild ARMs 5 was), which they're not. The simplicity in the graphical style of MG alongside the use of many bright colours makes the appearance seem better, but I can't really see that much more detail in the game in comparison to WA5.

I'm not changing my ground, the argument is just pointless. I'm not going to agree with you.

[Julz]

"that console just isn't right for the game" and "I just don't get why people think the Wii is a good platform choice for this game"
This sounds like you don't think the wii fulfils the target audience, whether or not it is how you meant it that is how it came across.

That says nothing about the target audience, you're just reading between lines and pulling out what you think I'm saying. I don't think it's right because I don't think it will make an improvement on the game as it currently stands on the PS2. I have a different opinion to everyone in this thread, obviously, and I don't care. That's how I feel and just because you're waving 25+ million people in my face doesn't make me think otherwise (especially when a lot of those people bought the Wii and have only played Wii Sports on it). If I followed thinking like that maybe I should join the 125 million obese Americans and gain 50kgs.

[moodycj]

The thing is, when prooven I can completely turn around.

Apparently you can't.

I'm not changing my ground, the argument is just pointless. I'm not going to agree with you.

"that console just isn't right for the game" and "I just don't get why people think the Wii is a good platform choice for this game"
This sounds like you don't think the wii fulfils the target audience, whether or not it is how you meant it that is how it came across.

That says nothing about the target audience, you're just reading between lines and pulling out what you think I'm saying. I don't think it's right because I don't think it will make an improvement on the game as it currently stands on the PS2. I have a different opinion to everyone in this thread, obviously, and I don't care. That's how I feel and just because you're waving 25+ million people in my face doesn't make me think otherwise (especially when a lot of those people bought the Wii and have only played Wii Sports on it). If I followed thinking like that maybe I should join the 125 million obese Americans and gain 50kgs.

That is stupid they did not go an purchase obesity because they like being fat. I was talking about the 25+ million people who chose to by a wii cause they like playing games on it. Completely irrelevant.

[admeister]

Well Julz, I will agree with you on the fact that I would be at least a little disappointed if KH3 was announced for the Wii. I have to say I definitely prefer the PS2/PS3's controller for playing those sorts of games, rather than the Gamecube's one/classic controller. I'd certainly give motion controls a chance (they could indeed be good), but it would break the continuity of the series a little. Still, as long as they make the damn game, I don't really mind too much.

Batman: We get it, you don't like KH2.

[Julz]

Well, they purchase the food.

You guys have failed to prove to me that the Wii is heaps better than the PS2 graphically, I judge that, not you. I look forward to seeing if it changes, but for the time being no matter what you say what I've seen on screen and in screen shots doesn't say much.

Can we just agree to disagree, and maybe be sh*tty at each other until we get over it and realise we're adults, for now?

Admeister: glad to see someone does see it from my point of view. I should say I'd still paly it if it came out on Wii, it would just make me sad.

[moodycj]

Well, they purchase the food.

You guys have failed to prove to me that the Wii is heaps better than the PS2 graphically, I judge that, not you. I look forward to seeing if it changes, but for the time being no matter what you say what I've seen on screen and in screen shots doesn't say much.

Can we just agree to disagree, and maybe be sh*tty at each other until we get over it and realise we're adults, for now?

You have been given stats and screens and you refuse to see that you are basing your opinion on nothing of substance. Sounds a lot like religion. Well just like religion you have a right to believe what you want so I will agree to disagree with you but I still think you are delusional.

[nshady]

EDIT: The last three posts happened while I was typing this.

I still think the Wii is currently no better graphically than the PS2, I still think that. I compared Wild ARMs 5 because the level of graphics are similar despite the fact that based on everything you say the graphics in MG should be more than 2x as good (especially MG is a huge title whilst I bet before my post no one here knew what Wild ARMs 5 was), which they're not. The simplicity in the graphical style of MG alongside the use of many bright colours makes the appearance seem better, but I can't really see that much more detail in the game in comparison to WA5.

Actually, I had heard of Wild ARMs before, I saw a review of it and recognised the hexagonal battle system.

Did you watch this mario galaxy vid? How can you say the graphics are similar to Wild Arms? Look at all the stuff on the background, Mario's character model etc. Fine, then, let's look at metroid. Seriously, you think this is doable on the PS2? You think it's even comparable to the PS2? It's not PS3 or 360, but it's not PS2 either. Watch this video review and check out some of the environments in the game.

I still can't understand how you can look at all this and claim that the Wii would offer no improvement over the PS2 in any respects.

Admeister: glad to see someone does see it from my point of view.

And yet he still manages to distinguish the Wii from the PS2:

More on topic, I think that you (for the most part) and Nick are right, the Wii is a perfectly good console which certainly has the power to top the PS2, and we've already seen this. Control schemes are variable (definitely a good thing), so there's not a lot to complain about, except lack of good games I guess.

[Predator]

I downloaded the Star Ocean video through XBL.. was impressive cut-scene, but didn't show any gameplay, which was a bit disappointing.