I'm sure some of you are saying "about time!", but hey, better late than never, right? Blizzard has finally officially revealed Diablo III in their worldwide invitational in France. It'll be hitting both PCs and Mac: no word on console versions or a release date yet (one of those "when it's done" things). They did say they were hoping for a worldwide simultaneous release though (something Nintendo should learn from).

Drop in/out co-op seems to be all the rage these days, and Blizzard has announced that it'll feature in the new game. Random dungeons will feature as well as static maps. More info as we have it!

I could see Diablo working as a console title. The game dynamics (based on Diablo 2) would be easily transferrable. Unlike the attempt with Balder's Gate on Xbox... That series is PC-only.

have you SEEN the new one? its all about the multiplayer baby - this thing looks AWESOME!
abso-friggin-gorgeus-george - cant WAIT for this sucker

http://www.videogamer.com/pc/diablo_2/news-7020.html
It's a bit old but still they haven't done very well with their console efforts in the past.

I'm a little torn over this.

Despite my love for the Diablo seriers - arguably among the best RPGs out there - I kinda don't see what I can get from this game when I have WoW.

I'm happy to see it being finally released, but with the birth of MMOs - old style RPGs are a little dead to me. I guess I'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out.

Dumbing it down for consoles would be a terrible move. They should leave it on PC.

No offence,but I've never been able to understand what the appeal is in playing point and click games.
Fair enough they're basic enough to play & I have played a little bit of some myself, but I guess that because it just basically involves point and click-click-click-click over & over,I've personally found it too be just a little bit tedious after a while.
Then again,I suppose that I just prefer something that has a little bit more involvement to it. 

You know this isn't a point and click adventure, right? Not like Myst.

You know this isn't a point and click adventure, right? Not like Myst.

My mistake then, but that's what I thought the first two were & I'd just assumed that this would be the same just as you seemed to assume that Myst is the only one that I've ever played.   lol

I didn't presume you played Myst, it's just the game that everyone knows as typifying the genre.

You might actually like Diablo - check out a vid of it if you can.

Wouldn't a better title to put Diablo under be 'ungeon Crawler'?

I'm a little torn over this.

Despite my love for the Diablo seriers - arguably among the best RPGs out there - I kinda don't see what I can get from this game when I have WoW.

I'm happy to see it being finally released, but with the birth of MMOs - old style RPGs are a little dead to me. I guess I'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out.

I can't stand MMOs, there's no goal. That's why you play other RPGs, because you get to the end (and it has one!) and it's fulfilling. There's also a directly involved story.

I didn't presume you played Myst, it's just the game that everyone knows as typifying the genre.

You might actually like Diablo - check out a vid of it if you can.

Anyway,putting assumptions & presumtions aside I've found a couple of free downloads to play demos of Diablo I & II on the official Blizz site, so just out of curiosity more than anything I'll have a look at them I suppose. But if they're not for me & I don't like them,then I'm sure that they'll keep the kids amused during the school holidays so that I don't have to hear "I'm bored" on the very first day after school breaks up for them. lol

I didn't presume you played Myst, it's just the game that everyone knows as typifying the genre.

You might actually like Diablo - check out a vid of it if you can.

Well you do use pointing and clicking to move and attack but you should really try them for your self.

Its kinda like WoW, but from a top-down-corner viewpoint and there no auto attack.

Same itemisation, spells, talent trees etc - but much more solo oriented and theres no healing, just health pot spamming.

WoW is really the best elements or Warcraft and Diablo combined - If you haven't played it before, I imagine youll be sitting there for the few first days saying "Hey, Frostbolt! I know what that does!"

I can understand how people get sick of point-n-click, but the theory of itemisation is so obsessive! And it has quite a good story also.

As for your hate of MMOs Julz, I can understand where our coming from, but open-ended RPG have alot to offer, for starters you never get to the point where you say "Well, Ive finished this game, it has nothing more to offer - what else can I play?" Theres always something more to do, which is aggrivating at the same time I suppose.

I'll see how it pans out - If diablo III becomes Diablo II with better graphics, itemisation, longer and more varied with the same gameplay - but with teh added twist that you can hook up with friends and quest, It may very well take over my MMO slot. I'd prefer a game I don't have to play obsessively to accomplish anything worth while (eg, 1 month of pvp to get a decent armor set).

conversely im against the mmorpg - i prefer playing with myself
d3 is supposed to be a more team oriented game - i just hope its not required

conversely im against the mmorpg - i prefer playing with myself
d3 is supposed to be a more team oriented game - i just hope its not required

Same I don't really get the online rpg thing. Plus I can't imagine having to put in the kind of hours MMO's often require.

Sexy.. can't wait.. I like the top-down RPG's, about time we had another good one on PC.

I've never really felt I could get into WOW, but Diablo 3 I could..

p.s. screen now attached

Plus I can't imagine having to put in the kind of hours MMO's often require.

Well that is kind of true in a way,but I personally think that you only really have to put in a lot of time & effort into them if say for example you're one of those people who wants to stay up to date with all of the best items etc. that there is to offer at the time in the game.
On the other hand,if that's not your type of thing,then a few hours here and a few hours there are all that it really takes if maybe all you want to do is a bit of questing,rep grinding,raiding or whatever. It just all depends on what style of player you are I suppose and whether or not you have the time to spare in RL to do it.

The most time that I've personally ever spent on doing something since I've been playing WoW for example was the whole time that I spent farming & rep grinding my butt off because I really wanted to get a Netherwing Drake. I basically ended doing all of that on & off during most of the day & night over the xmas holidays and that's about it. Other than that though,I've done bugger all really.  lol

You get back what you put in with MMOs.

If you stack in the hours raiding/rep grinding/PvP'in - you get good gear and other items in return. But if you don't have the time or don't want to put it in, you pretty much put up with the basic gear, and alot of peopel aren't happy with that, hence the obsession.

I used to play it alot mroe then I do now, raiding etc regularly - but I can't be bothered with all that anymore, and now I tend to play a few hrs a day, run an instance with the guild here and there, thats about it.

You get back what you put in with MMOs.

If you stack in the hours raiding/rep grinding/PvP'in - you get good gear and other items in return. But if you don't have the time or don't want to put it in, you pretty much put up with the basic gear, and alot of peopel aren't happy with that, hence the obsession.

I used to play it alot mroe then I do now, raiding etc regularly - but I can't be bothered with all that anymore, and now I tend to play a few hrs a day, run an instance with the guild here and there, thats about it.

I want good gear without putting in those sort of hours.

I want good gear without putting in those sort of hours.

Who doesn't want that though ?      lol

I want good gear without putting in those sort of hours.

Who doesn't want that though ?      lol

Well you can get it with Diablo. 

I don't really see the appeal of MMOs at all. They seem more like work than fun, really.

I don't really see the appeal of MMOs at all. They seem more like work than fun, really.

When you finally get the item you've been rep grinding for, or finally complete a set - its quite rewarding, and then you can sit back and look at something you've created - plus show it off ^_^

Yes, thats lame from a certain POV, but at the end of any other type of gaem, the only thing you have to show at the end of your gaming is a RSI, or a tradable DVD.

I don't really see the appeal of MMOs at all. They seem more like work than fun, really.

When you finally get the item you've been rep grinding for, or finally complete a set - its quite rewarding, and then you can sit back and look at something you've created - plus show it off ^_^

Yes, thats lame from a certain POV, but at the end of any other type of gaem, the only thing you have to show at the end of your gaming is a RSI, or a tradable DVD.

I don't play games to have something to show people though and If I want to create something there are plenty of games that let you do that like sim city.

Well you can get it with Diablo.  
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But does it have private servers though where you could basically get it all in about a day or so if you really wanted to ?   

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When you finally get the item you've been rep grinding for, or finally complete a set - its quite rewarding, and then you can sit back and look at something you've created - plus show it off ^_^

I agree that it is very rewarding,especially right at the finish of it all. I suppose it's a little bit like having achieved something that you originally set out to do even though there might be times when you've thought that it would never end.   
As for the showing off part of it, we are talking about WoW here so it's nothing new really.     lol 

When you finally get the item you've been rep grinding for, or finally complete a set - its quite rewarding, and then you can sit back and look at something you've created - plus show it off ^_^
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And then you get to do it all over again for the better item. You get to show it off to all the other people with better stuff than you too! Awesome.

[quote]But does it have private servers though where you could basically get it all in about a day or so if you really wanted to ?

Close enough. This is pretty much the point of single player RPGs.

Not to mention private servers have broken gameplay and none of this payoff of hard work you say is so appealing of MMOs.

I'm currently playing Rogue Galaxy (29 hrs in) and it promises over 100hrs of gameplay. To me 100hrs is massive. It can take me a year to get through a single game with 100hrs of gameplay (I probably will not have finished this game until December/January). If I transfered the same amount of time into an MMO I would be nowhere in the game. Because a lot of people who play MMOs spend so many hours playing the game the game makes it annoying and pointless for people who have less time to play.

Finishing a good RPG gives me the similar satisfaction of finishing a really good book. I never sell my games (I still have some PS1 games) for the same reason you don't sell a good book. You can go back and play them and still enjoy the story and the gameplay. There may not be immediate replayability but they're definitely able to be happily replayed. Also, in the time that people spend playing MMOs you can play so many more other games and experience other stories. I.e. in the time people have spent on WoW I could have played at least 50-80 single RPGs (giving them between 60-100 total hrs).

When it all comes down to it, everyone's different & no-one's the same so I guess that it just depends on a person's individuality(or whatever you call it ) when it comes to their own personal preferences.

Interesting fact - WoW took 3 years and almost 3 months to be released after it was officially announced.

Diablo 3 coming August 2011?

i bloody well hope not! my next pc is riding on this game

This looks to be a bit less MMO-y.

This looks to be a bit less MMO-y.

Diablo was never an MMO. That's why it's still awesome.

This looks to be a bit less MMO-y.

Diablo was never an MMO. That's why it's still awesome.

I had to lol - I agree that I pref diablo III as an SP/Co-op optional setup then another MMO, simply cos we alreayd have WoW, and it would just flood the market. That, and I've only been playin WoW half-time for the past month or so and I'm already sick to death of it.

Secodn I can scrap together enough money for a PS3/LCD setup - my subscription ends.

arent blizzard working on another mmo property? wouldnt that flood the market with another awesome mmo?
as far as i can tell, it will most likely be a starcraft mmo - this wouldnt flood the market since its sci-fi as opposed to fantasy
the sci-fi mmo is very much smaller than the fantasy mmo - check out all the korean ones as an example

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This looks to be a bit less MMO-y.
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Diablo was never an MMO. That's why it's still awesome.

My point was in relation to Dave saying it took three years for WoW to be released, and given that this looks less MMO-y it shouldn't take as long.

I had to lol - I agree that I pref diablo III as an SP/Co-op optional setup then another MMO, simply cos we alreayd have WoW, and it would just flood the market. That, and I've only been playin WoW half-time for the past month or so and I'm already sick to death of it.

Secodn I can scrap together enough money for a PS3/LCD setup - my subscription ends.

I just checked out the new talent tables for WotLK (WoW) and they are *heavily* drawing from Diablo again.

eg:
Warriors = Barbs. Getting 2h weaps in each hand - Leap attack etc
Death Knights = Necros. Summon undead minions, corpse explo, poison weap etc

While this isn't a WoW topic obviously - It does start me wondering how much Diablo III will draw from WoW and the general Warcraft universe.

I just checked out the new talent tables for WotLK (WoW) and they are *heavily* drawing from Diablo again.

eg:
Warriors = Barbs. Getting 2h weaps in each hand - Leap attack etc
Death Knights = Necros. Summon undead minions, corpse explo, poison weap etc

While this isn't a WoW topic obviously - It does start me wondering how much Diablo III will draw from WoW and the general Warcraft universe.

Chance are a fair bit but I am not really happy about it. I would rather they come up with new stuff but seeing how successful WoW has been I think they would defiantly be looking for ideas they can take from it.

Found this piece of news pretty interesting & looking forward to seeing what the outcome of it all will be especially after reading some of the comments on there.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54086

Just a typical departure methinks, made all the more "oooh" by the big stink about a perfectly wonderful and blissfully functional art direction.

Because Diablo 2 was all grey scale, wasn't it?

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thats cos you have the gamma up! that stage was blood red i tells ya!

i think its stupid that there is so much focus on such a small group of vocal fans - they dont like it? DONT BUY THE GAME! i GAURANTEE you the sales will suffer MAYBE 0.001% - everyone i know is pumped about this game and likes the art
a dark game makes for a hard to see game - who needs that? i dont want to burn out my 24 inch lcd because i had to up the gamma to 100%!

I disagree - I think art and lighting set the atmosphere of a game, along with other aspects of course, but they contribute highly, and messing it up would ruin the game.

I like that bliz is so dedicated to their fans that they would go to such lengths to make sure they get the game right.

Firing someone may be a little overkill, but I Diablo is a dark title, it should be a dark game.

They didn't fire him because of it, they said they were dedicated to the new style. People are so whiny these days. You're going to buy it anyway, stop bitching.

maybe they should have two colour palletes or modes or something in the game?
one for the darkies and one for the rest of us normal people?

maybe they should have two colour palletes or modes or something in the game?
one for the darkies and one for the rest of us normal people?

I'm not abnormal, Im special!

You're going to buy it anyway, stop bitching.

Sorry to disagree with you nshady,but I'm pretty sure though that the term bitching usually refers to females,in particular the one's who like to sit around with eachother & have a good bitch about other people behind their back which in turn leads to the whole bitching thing.   LOL (no offence intended )

You're going to buy it anyway, stop bitching.

Sorry to disagree with you nshady,but I'm pretty sure though that the term bitching usually refers to females,in particular the one's who like to sit around with eachother & have a good bitch about other people behind their back which in turn leads to the whole bitching thing.   LOL (no offence intended )

It can also be used to imply men are whining like females and that is the way he was using it.

Yep, it can be an insult to men too.

I prefer Q_Q    it makes me lol

Seems like there's going to be no Necromancer class for Diablo 3 according to this -

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/08/22/no-necromancer-for-diablo-3/1

"The Necromancer was simply a victim of his own success," said Wilson, "He was just too well crafted as a character."

I'm guessing that means too overpowered perhaps,but don't quote me on that.    lol

Not surprising give nthe witch doctor is half a necromancer anyway.

I agree though that the Necro was the most scalable class and there for the most poerful in Diablo II. I had a level 85 Zookeeper necro, all it took was going to a lowbie area and letting my hireling kill everything, then summon up 10 skels, 10 skel mages, and 15 monsters.

Port to where you want and iron maiden everything in sight, throw in corpse explosion and the fact that my 25-man-army *ALL* recieve a buff from my hireling........OP!

I'm hoping they have some sort of Sorceres spin-off, Mages should have gotten frozen orb in WoW, its only fair Bliz makes up for it in D3.